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Discussion on Hunt coats
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leslie1
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Posted on Saturday, Nov 8, 2008 - 6:37 pm:
what is the difference between a dressage coat and a hunt jacket?
they both have 3 buttons and pockets.
I looked in all my catalogues but cant tell a difference other than the buttons on a dressage coat are shiny.
Thnks
L
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Member:
erika
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Posted on Saturday, Nov 8, 2008 - 9:18 pm:
Buttons are a factor, Leslie. Unless you are a "colored" member of a hunt, you are to wear plain buttons on your coat. Once you've earned your colors, you wear the hunt's buttons with logos, usually.
A hunt coat tends to be shorter, too, without the seam at the waist that some dressage coats have. But a lot depends on the hunt you belong to and how strict their rules are.
I have been with some clubs that any black or navy jacket is fine. Others may be more particular or formal. If you are hunting, check with your hunt secretary or one of the masters for clarification as to what is proper.
Erika
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terrido
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 9, 2008 - 11:47 am:
Besides the difference in the cut of the jacket, and the type of buttons, dressage coats are normally either black or navy. Hunt coats have more variety of colors and patterns in the materials they use. But yes the main difference is the cut of the coat, dressage tends to be cut a bit longer.
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Member:
leslie1
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 9, 2008 - 1:13 pm:
Thanks ladies,
I went to their website (woodford hounds) and they have a page about what to wear. It looks like a black hunt coat will get me by They state that while they like a nicely turned out crowd, not to let it interfer with having fun...I liked hearing that. I do plan on dressing appropriately. (But I did liked the look of the longer dressage coat.)
Thanks again
Leslie
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Member:
erika
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 9, 2008 - 2:19 pm:
Just an add-on to Terrie's post: While hunters in the show ring can wear other color coats, they are not proper for foxhunting except during "cubbing", which is sort of like pre-season.
Black is the usual. Navy is acceptable.
I don't think they would throw you out with a dressage coat, either. But I would change the buttons to plain black.
There is also a longer hunt coat called a frock coat. I used to hunt in one, to mixed reactions. Some people complimented me on it, others who weren't familiar with the style simply thought I hadn't tailored it yet, LOL (considering I am 5'10", it would be a rare coat I could buy too long ).
Leslie, have a great time hunting! Is this your first time? Be sure to take a flask of some "liquid courage" in case the jumps are daunting...
Erika
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Member:
leslie1
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Posted on Monday, Nov 10, 2008 - 9:26 am:
Tee-Hee "liquid courage"!
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Member:
cgby1
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Posted on Monday, Nov 10, 2008 - 6:53 pm:
Hi Leslie,
If you look at the Dover catalog, the dressage coats have 4 buttons down the front.
Cynthia
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Member:
leslie1
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Posted on Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 - 5:12 pm:
LOL I was looking at Dover and comparing the two, and,
OMGSH! they do...sorry. (chock it up to the brain fizz )
I found this hunt coat that I like and its longer too:0
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lindas
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Posted on Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 - 6:04 pm:
Okay, you all seem to know more about hunt coats than I do. I have always ridden western, but my 14 year old daughter prefers hunt seat, and is actively showing. How tightly fitted are these jackets supposed to be? Last spring she was complaining that her coat was too tight for jumping. It was a cheap coat that I bought for her when she was first showing, it did not have any stretch at all, and she had clearly outgrown it. So I ordered her the next size up in a much more expensive, stretchy coat. The coat is beautiful and she claims to like it but says it is too big. It looks perfect to me, but now she says the old one fits better. At 14, unless she gets fat there is only one place left where she is likely to grow, if you know what I mean! She did not want me to send the coat back but continues to show in the old one which is too tight. I think this is a clear case of middle aged mom who thinks her teenagers clothes are too tight, but I wonder if I am wrong and perhaps the other coat was too big. When she sits in the riding position there is a slight pouch of material that pushes out in front, not much, and the rest of the coat is perfect. Obviously it is too late to send the coat back but I am wondering if I should pay to get it altered or wait until things "develop". Any ideas???
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cgby1
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Posted on Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 - 7:48 pm:
Hi leslie,
There is one downfall with a longer coat, they can end up under your leg in the front. Are you sure that is not a saddle seat coat?
Linda, she may just need a little taken in at the waist but make sure that the excess is not trimmed off so that if she needs to let it out again you can. My niece continued to grow in her teens both in height and bust, she is a pretty big girl.
Cynthia
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Member:
erika
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Posted on Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 - 8:22 pm:
I think there is some confusion in this thread as to what is a "hunt coat". The kind I am talking about, and I believe Leslie is referring to, is the kind one would wear on a foxhunt. Is that correct Leslie?
If that is the case, the coat in the picture is perfectly suited to hunting. As I said, there are the so-called "modern" shorter coats, and the longer "frock" coats. Both are appropriate for foxhunting. Both would be black wool melton with plain buttons and collars.
I believe some of you are referring to hunt coats that are worn in the show ring for "Hunter Classes". That is a subject I know much less about, but I know that it is a different fashion trend, and different traditions.
Just didn't want anyone confused by the two types of activities that just happen to share the word "hunt". One has little to do with the other.
Erika
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Member:
canter
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 - 7:35 am:
Linda, is the coat bulging out at the waist when your daughter sits in the saddle or in the chest area? If it bulges out in the waist, then I would have it tailored to fit her better there. If it buldges out in the chest area, then by all means, wait to see how things develop over the winter. However, the other issue you may encounter in the spring is sleeve length...the first thing my daughter grows out of is anything long sleeved.
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leslie1
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 - 9:33 am:
Foxhunting coat for me. I found that pic in a online foxhunting catalogue, I believe its Melton. Erika, how did you like the feel of yours when riding? Did it bunch? I will only be hilltopping this year, maybe 2nd flight if I get my RID.( hubby has hid my purse, due to economic unstability)
Linda, Fran and Cynthia
Yikes! I cant imagine having to purchase coat, boots, shirts, etc every year! That sounds like it could get expensive. They do have a selection of Hunter/Jumper coats on ebay.
Cheers,
Lleslie
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Member:
erika
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 - 10:04 am:
Leslie, I have a few coats. Some are more comfy than others, for sure. They range from light wool gabardine to heavy boiled wool melton. You can imagine that one is less comfortable because it is thick and not very drapey. But it's very warm.
Most days hunting are not terribly cold though, they stop when ice becomes a problem, so the lighter weight ones are usually enough. When we get moving, sometimes I'd like to ditch the jacket altogether!
I'm sure you'll be completely proper in the jacket you've chosen. Most clubs are exceedingly accommodating to guests and new members. I've seen all kinds of jackets out there and most of the time its no big deal.
Have fun hunting! Is Woodford a live or drag hunt?
I bet that area has great territory (I checked out their website). If you're ever interested in traveling to NJ, our club is Spring Valley Hounds. You can check out their website. I would be happy to bring you as a guest.
Erika
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Member:
leslie1
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 - 2:26 pm:
Thanks for the invite Erika! Thats very nice! When I was a kid I used to chase the coyotes, it was alot of fun, actually I chased everything including antelope! I love the rush! You must be a thrill junkie too!
So this year I will just learn about foxhunting etiquette and get to know the people. Hopefully I will be able to extend an invitation to hunt to you too someday. One of the hunt countries is at Shaker Village and boy is it beautiful there... its about 5 miles from my house. I looked at your hunt's website and it looks cool Are any of those pics of you? I think the hunter paces look fun too. Have you done those?
Leslie
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Member:
erika
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 - 6:13 pm:
Yes, Leslie, I love the paces. As for pictures, I don't know if I'm back in the pack or not!LOL!
I am on page one of the hunter pace link though. Black horse, blonde woman (hint: never have your picture taken with your bulky jacket tied around you). We won our division that day and Reserve Grand Champion.
Erika
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Member:
lindas
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 - 8:01 pm:
Fran, Cynthia,
The coat does bulge out the front at the waist when seated in the riding position. When I ordered the coat I ordered size 10 and size 12. The 10 was too small and tight, so I sent it back. The 12 is the one we bought. It is a beautiful coat. Unfortunately where we live there is no place within a hundred miles to go and try on coats, so we have to order online. I like the idea of taking it in at the waist. Think I'll do that. The sleeves are perfect, with just a little room for growth. I stopped growing at 14, but who knows what she will do!
Leslie, Yes it is a pain to have to buy this stuff every year. You have to look for sales and e-bay stuff, and from my budget you get the $90 boots and not the $400 ones! But believe me, as a veteran of the Western Pleasure arena it is nothing compared to keeping up with the Joneses in the Western world. All the styles...even in the saddles...change every year and if you want to be competitive in the big shows you have to keep up. And the show outfits are unbelievable!!!! I'm glad my daughter really loves 4-H...that I can afford!
Thanks, everybody for your ideas.
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Member:
leslie1
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 - 10:42 pm:
OOO Erika, thats a nice picture... what is your horses breeding? Very nice looking. I assume you dabble in dressage as well?
L
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Member:
silly
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 - 8:49 am:
Erika,
VERY interested in foxhunting. I'm in NJ too and would love to learn. I went to the website and did a little reading, but not sure where or how to begin. Any tips?
Many thanks!
Silvia
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Member:
erika
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 - 8:50 am:
Thanks, Leslie. That is Cleo, the one I had the "canter" thread about a few weeks back. She is registered American Warmblood, but her mother is my American Saddlebred, and her sire is a Friesian.
No, I have never done dressage. But I had a dressage rider on her yesterday to demonstrate something, and boy did she make Cleo look good! She had very nice things to say about her, so SHE would probably do well in it. I, on the other hand, am a seat of the pants rider from the old Army Cavalry school!! Meaning, that I grew up riding with a retired cavalry colonel, and hunted with him as a kid. Nothing fancy, and not "pretty" but we rode all the time and the wet saddleblankets got the horses to do quite well!
Erika
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Member:
erika
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 - 9:00 am:
Hi Sylvia, sorry, I missed your post while writing mine!
Where in NJ are you? We hunt in Sussex and Warren Counties, just north of Interstate 80 (Allamuchy, Tranquility, Fredon, Stillwater).
Are you anywhere near here?
The club is very welcoming to new guests and members. Let me know if the area is feasible and I can invite you to hunt with us.
Wednesdays are informal and small groups, Saturdays are larger and formal.
Erika
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Member:
silly
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 - 9:19 am:
I'm about 10 miles from Giant Stadium and somewhat familiar with Sussex County. Have been to the fairgrounds several times and have a few non-equestrian friends in Vernon. The problem at this moment is I've retired my TB so I'm horseless at the moment, I'm planning a farm on 14 acres in NY, waiting till then to purchase another. Does your club lease? I'm also looking for another teacher/barn for jumping lessons but don't know any barns in that area. Any recommendations? I'm a seasoned rider, as of late, riding hunters/jumpers. Know of any Morgan barns in the area?
Silvia
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Member:
erika
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 - 9:48 am:
Sylvia, I am confused as to which area? My area? Or in NY where your property is?
I don't know of anyone who leases hunters by the day or season with SVH. One of the masters of Windy Hollow Hunt leases made hunters. That is in the area of Warwick NY, with some hunting in Sussex NJ. I used to be a member there but it was a long drive and since they are a live hunt they tend to start very early in the morning (7AM as opposed to 9:30 at SVH). You can look up their website for more info.
My friend just leased out her draft cross that would be a perfect field hunter. If it doesn't work out, I can let you know. Nice, calm horse with good manners. They leased her for practically nothing because they have too many horses!
As for lessons and Morgan barns, not sure of that either. I can ask around for you.
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Member:
leslie1
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 - 10:02 am:
" a seat of the pants rider from the old Army Cavalry school!!
....WOOT, I LOVE IT!!!!
Cheers,
Leslie
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Member:
silly
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 - 10:03 am:
Erika, I live in NJ now, Passaic County, have property in Orange County NY, Pine Bush. Yes, please let me know if you hear of anyone leasing out and if your friends decides to lease out another. And please ask around for Morgan barns in that area. My email address is zesty418@hotmail.com.
Thanks for the web address, I will check them out.
Silvia
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Member:
erika
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 - 11:33 am:
Sylvia, I just sent you a private email.
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Member:
silly
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 - 12:13 pm:
Erika,
Will check email this evening.
Thank you for your help!
Silvia
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