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Discussion on The 5 to 7 Correct Responses Rule
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ajudson1
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Posted on Thursday, Dec 24, 2009 - 2:09 pm:
I was watching some DVR'd Ryan Gingerich shows yesterday and he explained something interesting to his guest.
He said his mentor taught him that a horse learns best when he does something correctly 5 - 7 times. 10 is too many, less than 5 not enough. He explained that for example, you are asking the horse to lower his head. He lowers on your cue, you give the release to reward. If he does it correctly 5 times, you stop with that part of his training for the day.
If he responds correctly 4 times, but not the 5th, you start over at zero.
Has anyone every heard of this before?
He also mentioned not liking round pens, he said it scares the horses, not sure what he all meant by that.
Anyone ever see Ryan in person, or own his DVDs? This guy is starting to really impress me with his methods.
Here's a link to his article on round pens:
https://www.ryangingerich.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=59:ret hinking-the-roundpen&catid=35:articles&Itemid=62
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ajudson1
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Posted on Thursday, Dec 24, 2009 - 2:11 pm:
Ah, the article also addresses the 5 to 7 correct responses rule!
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scooter
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Posted on Thursday, Dec 24, 2009 - 2:34 pm:
Angie, when I had Hank at the Parelli trainers when he was started, he told me if Hank did something right 5 times to quit. Otherwise it becomes a drill, same with round pens, while I believe they are ok to begin with, just to get a "feel" for the horse it is basically repetitious and monotonous for the horse. I made much more progress with Hank with liberty training. We were still in an enclosed area, but he did have the option of running off and he DID many times.  You should see the videos of when we first started... a bucking, farting, running off nut case!, in the round pen he didn't have that option. We did progress far enough to do some liberty work outside the arena too. It really did carry over into all aspects of our relationship including riding. The round pen I bought years ago is now the "cattle panels".
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terrido
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Posted on Thursday, Dec 24, 2009 - 3:12 pm:
Angie, I too like Ryan very much. He has a matter of fact and no nonsense yet all common sense way about how he works with a horse. His DVD on Bucking is a must have!!
As to a horse learning, they learn things the first time. Yup they really do. We reinforce it by repetition, 3 to 5 times. Most will say 5 times, some horses are more than fine with just 3. To be safe yes use the rule of 5. And yes after that magic 5th time stop and go to something else or stop completely.
Course this counts everywhere and every minute you are with your horse. Like if you allow him to bump into you while grooming say 3 or 5 times, that too becomes a habit. ;]
How many have had a horse say charge thru a gate once and then try again the next day? yup. And if allowed to do that just 3 times they think it's "ok" and will usually keep trying to charge on through.
Same principle applies with everything every moment you are with your horse. Manners always begin on the ground first. Lessons are learned once, just reinforced for expected actions by repetition. haha Just ask my mare who anticipates if something is done just twice and bored by the 4th.
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