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Discussion on CAN A PASO DO DRESSAGE
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Liliana
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Posted on Monday, Jul 24, 2006 - 8:39 pm:
Hello all,
As some of you may remember all my horses are rescues (ecxept for the two that were born at the barn) I have 11 now! and the ones I can ride are Paso cross so I was wondering can they do dressage?
Thank you
Liliana
Any comments please
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Jojo15
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Posted on Monday, Jul 24, 2006 - 9:42 pm:
Of course they can.. I'm sure if they are gaited might prove entertaining... grin. And that normal high head, prance might be tough to undo, if its their natural gait. But all basic training maneuvers come from classic dressage in some way. I bet their are some things that might not happen like you truly want... like some of the walks. do you want to start showing? or just good exercise... I took dressage lessons with my barrel/trail horse... grin.. she was awesome. I had to really teach a few things differently. Put her in great shape, let me learn dressage on a horse i trusted, and it was fun to do something different.
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Ajudson1
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Posted on Monday, Jul 24, 2006 - 11:11 pm:
What is the definition of Dressage?
I think Dressage is when a horse is moving freely, with a good expression, no obvious aids seen being given by the rider, moving in all directions, all body parts, (No, not as in bucking, grin)holding the gaits, etc.
In other words, "Poetry in Motion". Perfect Harmony between horse and rider. Freedom.
Horse and rider are one.
NOoooo....I can't ride like that. But it is my goal, always.
At any rate, you can do "Dressage" with any horse.
In fact, I think you should!
Probably not the answer you were looking for, but something to think about.
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Canter
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Posted on Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 - 7:50 am:
The actual definition of dressage is "training" but the ultimate goals are as Angie states: freedom, harmony, effortless.
Any horse can benefit from the principles, gaited or not. Depending on your goals, the horse may limit you to how far you could advance but regardless, applied correctly, dressage can make any horse stronger, more supple and more responsive. My former trainer won championships in the western disciplines and she used dressage to improve her own riding and her horse, helping her win.
So, Liliana, go for it!
(And I apologize if this post comes up twice - I had trouble the first time I tried to post it)
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Liliana
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Posted on Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 - 3:25 pm:
MMM I guess I am the one who should apologise I was checking spelling and press sent instead of view  I pressed cancel immediately but still up it went.
Angie, yes I guess my dressage is body all over the place more than poetry in motion! Never been brilliant, besides I've got short legs which does not help, my daughter is like filly really long legs and it does make the difference! Noooo being older has nothing to do with it... .
Jojo and Fran, indeed the three of you are are very right, dressage only means training, I guess what came to my mind when I wrote was, how the heck could I get a piaffe or passage  ,
Thank you all, I'll give it a go
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Ajudson1
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Posted on Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 - 6:01 pm:
Liliana,
Beautiful picture in my mind of your "dressage" riding. Sounds like mine....I am always apologizing to my horses!! "oops, sorry, not what I meant, you tried, I screwed up"
I actually figured you meant piaffe or passage, and I always forget which is which, but hey, maybe you'll have the first gaited horse to do both?? Is that possible??
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Liliana
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Posted on Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 - 6:24 pm:
 Between my crossed messages and him trying to do either piaffe or passage I guess we will meet on the ground!
Yes I get them confused but I believe piaffe is when they trot on the spot you know the deep flexion on and passage is when they walk kind of side ways. Chriiiistooooos put us in the right direction here!
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Christos
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Posted on Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 - 8:10 pm:
I didn't want to interfere because I know nothing of gaited horses.
Piaffe is very highly collected trot on the spot. The horse must leap from one diagonal to the other, not just nervously lift his legs in rhythm.
Passage is actually extended trot, but extended upwards instead of forwards. Instead of the horse using all his power to lengthen his stride, he uses it to put air, height in the movement. What you see often, ie the horse just snapping his legs in a nervous hovering medium trot is not passage.
If executed correctly, the transitions from piaffe to passage and vice versa are the most difficult movements in all dressage.
The reason is that the horse having stopped his forward momentum into the piaffe, must take a tremendous leap forward into the passage. That takes unbelievable strength. The same, in passage/piaffe, the horse must land the huge leap on a diagonal only and sit it deeply to initiate the piaffe. Extremely difficult.
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Liliana
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Posted on Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 - 8:46 pm:
Ah Christos,
I knew you would put us right on this and many other subjects come to think of it, now the other question is what's the name of the side ways walk, is it shoulder in. I'm sorry I love watching experienced riders, (even though I turn emerald green) But I'm not very good with the terms. I am not a good rider, I've only had a bit of professional training, but my daughter started riding with proper instruction from the age of seven so she is pretty good, alas when she became interested in boys horses passed to second or third place!
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Christos
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Posted on Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 - 5:00 am:
Liliana, it depends on how exactly he's moving sideways.
When he moves on a straight line away from his bend, ie he's bent to the right but moves on a straight line to the left:
If his hind legs walk straight but the inside front crosses slightly over the outside one while he still moves on a straight line, it is shoulder-in.
If both fronts and hinds cross, it is leg yielding.
When he moves laterally on a straight line into his bend, ie he's bent to the right and he moves on a straight line to the right by crossing both hind and front legs, it is half-pass.
More definitions:
Good rider is the happy one on the happy horse, the term is irrelevant to how well you perform a certain exercise or two in a certain discipline.
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Lilo
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Posted on Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 - 9:50 am:
Hi Liliana and all,
Just recently there was a clinic here in the Castle Rock, Colorado area, about performing dressage with gaited horses. Unfortunately, I had to miss it - would have loved to have seen it.
I happen to have a Rocky Mountain gelding (gaited breed, with and inexperienced owner, me, as far as getting a good gait out of a horse). He has a very good trot, and I would like to train him to trot when I want, and gait when I want. Not an easy task, I am finding out.
Anyway, took the horse to a clinic with a gaited horse trainer, who emphasized basic exercises such as leg yield and side passing to develop the horse's gait. Also, on this board, see the Tennessee Walking horse menu under Horse Training for exercises to do with gaited horses, by Janette Oglesby.
Lilo
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Liliana
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Posted on Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 - 12:04 pm:
Half-pass!! It's been 12 years since I moved to Cozumel and of course there is nothing similar to a horse show here; oh how I miss that! In some parts of Mexico they have show jumping but no dressage  Even during the Olympics as far as I know they did not televise any equestrian events! Hey I'm sure you've been asked this before Christos, but did you go to any events in the Olympics? do you have any photos you could share with us?!
Lilo, It would have been great if you could have gone to that clinic and then pass the information on to us, but, sometimes is not possible to do all the things we would like eh, mmm, ok is not a four time trot but I guess they should be able to trot on the spot without falling sideways!  }I guess i better have a look at Janette's article!
Thanks a lot!
Liliana
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Member:
Liliana
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Posted on Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 - 12:17 pm:
Oh! Lilo, are you anywhere near Howard Colorado? we have some retired friends who live there and we are going to visit them next september and I would love to go to some horse farms while I'm there, and perhaps some tack shops! Would they have English style?
Thanks
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Member:
Christos
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Posted on Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 - 5:58 pm:
Yes, Liliana, I watched almost every event, but unfortunately I have no pictures .
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Member:
Liliana
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Posted on Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 - 6:16 pm:
Well one can't have it all! at least one of us from the HA fraternity was there to enjoy it! Lucky you it must have been great, unfortunately when it was in Mexico I was too young!
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Christos
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Posted on Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 - 12:11 pm:
Liliana,
Most of the horses were great.
Some of the riders were great.
I still remember the performance of young Nicola Touzaint (FR) in the Dressage phase of Eventing.
The best display of horsemanship I have seen for many years, he turned the stadium atmosphere into a football final rather than a Dressage event. The spectators went delirious !
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Lilo
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Posted on Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 - 1:05 pm:
Liliana,
I do not know where Howard is in Colorado, but I shall find out. Here in the Castle Rock/Parker area (South of Denver) there is quite a bit of English style riding (Hunt seat, Jumper, also Dressage) and we have the Colorado Horse Park in Parker, which hosts 3 Grand Prix Jumping Competitions in the Summer, also Dressage (usually in August) and some eventing. To be democratic, they also try to have Western style events.
Anyway, you should be able to find English tack in Parker, Franktown and Elisabeth.
Christos - I am so envious!!!!!!
Lilo
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Member:
Liliana
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Posted on Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 - 8:05 pm:
Wow Chirstos it sounds fantastic!
Lilo, all I know is that it is 3 hours from Denver I think it is towards the east. I really hope I can be there for some shows, apparently there are a lot of horses near by, and you know the guy we are visiting just called and I forgot to ask him where it is from Denver, but yes is surrounded by mountains and a river.
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Member:
Lilo
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Posted on Friday, Jul 28, 2006 - 9:17 am:
Liliana,
I looked up Howard on the map - it is actually south west from Denver. I believe that is a beautiful area, although I have not been there. I have been to Salida and Poncha Springs, which are a little further west.
Anyway, you should be able to come down to the Denver area, or rather Parker/Elisabeth area in about 3 hours by car, I believe.
By the way, don't know if you are interested, but the headquarters for Parelli Natural Horsemanship are not too far, in Pagosa Springs (further south). Here in Colorado we are blessed with a lot of natural horsemanship trainers.
Lilo
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Liliana
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Posted on Wednesday, Aug 2, 2006 - 1:13 pm:
Hi Lilo,
I really would looove to go to any clinic; one can never know enough about horses, alas I will be at the mercy of our hosts! But, who knows they might just enjoy this sort of event. I passed comment to the man that perhaps I could go by public transport or something, and he got quite crossed, so we’ll have to see!
We will be in Denver on September 1st , at 7.00PM and leave for Howard the next day, we were going to stay in Colorado for two weeks but now the man wants to go visit friends in San Diego and Seattle so we are going to be ion Colorado just for one week, and then one week in San Diego and on week in Seattle. Men! And they say we are difficult. And you know what, I'll hate to be away from my animals for three weeks!
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Member:
Lilo
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Posted on Wednesday, Aug 2, 2006 - 5:25 pm:
Hi Liliana,
That is too bad that the time in Colorado got cut down to 1 week. Unfortunately, public transportation in those outlying areas is not available. I remember when my second cousins visited from Germany, and saw the railroad tracks running through Sedalia and were hoping they could catch a train there...... I had to tell them that the trains are all for cargo and not passengers. Hard to swallow when you are from Germany, where some type of public transportation is usually available.
I know how hard it is to leave animals in someone else's care. I DrOve myself crazy before our 1 week trip to Hawaii. The fire danger was high and I wanted everything to be ready in case of an evacuation.
I hope you have a great time anyway. Colorado is very beautiful - can you tell I am prejudiced?
Lilo
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Member:
Liliana
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Posted on Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 - 8:22 pm:
Hi Lilo,
Just got back from 12 wonderful days in Colorado,( we cancelled San Diego) it was FANTASTIC, you are very right it is beautiful.
We stayed in Howard near Salida Colorado in Chaffy county and it was great, our friends' cottage is right by the Arkansas river, and of course the beautiful mountains.
Near by there was a cottage with their grassing area right by the river so the horses just walk straight down and drink from the river. And oh Murdocks (spelling?)wow what variety!
We went horseback riding at Estes Park and we saw deer, coyote, red tailed hawk, chipmunks, a type of squirrel I had never seen before big black and with a really fluffy tail! the prints of a puma, it was fantastic, the horses were lively and well trained.
And to top it all the people are sooo friendly, you are so lucky to live in such a beautiful area.
I guess I should not really write here but this is for all of you lucky people that live in the Colorado area.
We loved it!!!!
Best regards
Liliana
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Member:
Lilo
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Posted on Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 - 8:36 pm:
Hi Liliana,
I emailed a response to you directly. But, again, I am glad you had such a good time and that you liked Colorado. You were in a beautiful area - I have friends who moved from the Metro area into the Salida region.
It is great that you could spend the 12 days here and got to ride horseback in Estes Park.
Lilo
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Member:
Liliana
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 30, 2006 - 11:20 am:
https://www.worlddressage.com/online.htm Check it out and isn't the picture of the dapple gray a beaut!!
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