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Discussion on Question for Jeremy Beale on Half-Pass Enter at Your Own Risk!!
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Stevens
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Posted on Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 - 3:28 pm:
Well, the Jeremy Beale clinic is this weekend and I wanted to make sure that
A: People were still interested in Jeremy's thoughts on teaching the half-pass and
B: I get the question right.
Here's what I am planning to ask/say:
There appears to be a difference of opinion regarding the optimum way of teaching the half-pass. Some believe that teaching the movement starting from renvers near center line moving towards the wall has benefits as the wall "pulls" the horse. Others believe that starting from travers in the corner and moving across the court has benefits. What do you see as the pros and cons of each method?
Thoughts?
Chris
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Member:
Corinne
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Posted on Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 - 11:21 pm:
Chris,
That sounds great and I would love to know what he has to say! And please be sure to have fun at the clinic...you lucky duck!
Take care,
Corinne
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Member:
Canter
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Posted on Friday, Oct 27, 2006 - 8:21 am:
...I'm pleading the Fifth...but Chris, do have a great time and enjoy that clinic.
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Erika
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Posted on Friday, Oct 27, 2006 - 1:58 pm:
Oh noooo....
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Member:
Dtranch
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Posted on Friday, Oct 27, 2006 - 2:11 pm:
No comment ... Dressage has not been very, very good to me. Seriously, I would like to hear his answer ... but, in English please for those of us in the Midwest.
DT
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Member:
Stevens
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Posted on Saturday, Oct 28, 2006 - 10:15 pm:
Here's the report back.
Jeremy had my instructor doing canter half pass two ways.
First, she would do a 10 meter circle near E or B (That's the middle of the long side for Dennis), then from center line half pass to the long side. The other way is that she would do a circle in the corner and half pass across the court.
He said that he starts from a haunches in position because that's basically what the half pass movement is (in the direction of the bend on the diagonal). He also said that starting from that position helps the rider learn how much inside leg (that's inside of the bend) is really needed otherwise the haunches start leading and that's a bad thing. He also said that he had Ann (my instructor) doing the half pass from different locations because different dressage tests asked for the half pass in different places.
My ride was also good and apparently my problem keeping my leg back is due to having a very long thigh bone and knee rolls that are too big. Oh yeah, I got re-introduced AGAIN to the concept of the outside rein and steady contact. Someday it will stick!
All in all, well worth the 1 hour plus drive there and close to 2 hour drive back in LA traffic. We're going back tomorrow but Im thrilled that he'll be at our barn in December.
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Member:
Green007
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Posted on Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 - 1:19 pm:
https://equisearch.com/horses_riding_training/english/dressage/haunchesin_081506/
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Member:
rubysmom
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Posted on Monday, Jan 22, 2007 - 12:07 am:
OK, Guys, cover me I"m coming in! 
I was taught to start H/P from Shoulder-in.
Shoulder in down the long side, add haunches, go sideways and forward on the diagonal.
Or, come thru the corner in shoulder in, (like a 1/4 of a 10 meter circle), keep the positioning and bend, add haunches, go diagonal (and forward!).
Not too hard for me and my horse to do it when I think of it that way.
Hope that helps. My instructor is an "S" judge and I also clinic regularly with an "O" judge and they both teach H/P that way, but there are many roads to Rome, and starting from H/I is not incorrect, if you can keep the horse correctly aligned, with the shoulder slightly leading.
Always forward! I am told to "think medium gaits" when doing h/p, so we keep the forward as well as the sideways.
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Member:
stevens
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Posted on Monday, Jan 22, 2007 - 10:07 am:
Angela,
What do you mean by "add haunches"? I suspect we may be saying the same thing with a slightly different perspective on geometry.
Got to see Ingrid Klimke this weekend, fantastic! She also emphasized the "think medium" during halfpass. While she didn't say "shoulder-in" she definitely instructed the riders to move the shoulder first.
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stevens
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Posted on Tuesday, Oct 2, 2007 - 10:12 am:
Couldn't resist adding a recent point on this thread.
There's a letter in this month's USDF letter asking about travers and half pass. In a nutshell, the response cited USEF material stating that haunches in on the diagonal = halfpass.
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