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Discussion on Leasing a Stallion
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Member:
mitma
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Posted on Monday, May 5, 2008 - 12:14 am:
HA Friends,
Any thoughts or experiences with leasing a stallion???... Many of you know about my interest in Appaloosas for sporthorse endeavors... recently, I visited a couple of appaloosa breeders with THAT particular focus and happened to come across a 3 year old stallion for sale with bloodlines that have performed pretty well in the past... Well, I had really been looking for a mature, trained horse, mare or gelding, that would meet these criteria for me... but, alas, here was this stallion. And, because this stallion's sire is no longer living, AND, because this stallion is homozygous for the leopard "gene" (i.e., will always produce Appy coloring in offspring), I found myself pondering the concept that someone should promote this stallion...
Now, I'm not really ready to purchase him and jump into the fire pit without any way out, so I thought leasing him for a trial period might help me determine if purchasing him should/could be a possibility...
Thoughts???
Martha
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dres
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Posted on Monday, May 5, 2008 - 12:30 am:
Yikes Martha.. a Stallion is a whole nother animal as you know.. Are you set up for one.. proper fencing / stalls ? How will you exercise this guy / lunging / mill .. is he broke to ride.. ? Do you have help? Are you thinking of breeding to your mares? Or is this THE appy of your dreams.. ?
I know that I AM NOT a stallion owner.. it takes a special horse person to own one / campaign one / and use for breeding..
So don't leave us ME hangin . ..what are the blood lines..???
On the first day God created horses, on the second day he painted them with spots.
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mitma
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Posted on Monday, May 5, 2008 - 1:38 am:
Ahhh Ann,
I was so hoping you would read my post!
And, yes, instead of "Yikes!" I was actually exclaiming phrases that I can't repeat here!
At my parents' property, I have proper fencing, etc..., but as I don't live there or even close, I would NOT consider that as as option... Fortunately, BOTH of my beloved equine vets are "repro" guys and they maintain stallions year round at their facilities... I am discussing the relevant issues of board, "breeding" training, finances, etc... with them now...
The sire of this 3 yo stallion is Waps Reflection (Wap Spot 2 x Rasmussens Candy... does that mean he and Tommy are like half second cousins???) and, no, he is not under saddle... I'm O.K. with that, because I think we work many horses way too hard too early... I anticipate doing lots of ground work for several months... and, if all goes well, he can go under saddle later this year... His manners were pretty good (myself and his owner walked through a field where he and another gelding were turned out); he expressed interest in our presence and came over to us; his owner could easily move him off with a hand on his shoulder; he was in no way "mouthy" or aggressive... I haven't been around many stallions, but he was better behaved than my yearling, Rory, before he was gelded! And, there were mares within "smelling" distance...
Ideally, if I can negotiate the "right" lease agreement... I will have him for 2 to 3 months and, in that time, I hopefully can figure out whether or not I can have a safe relationship with this horse; also, the "experts" in my horse life can help me determine whether or not his conformation/movement/behavior is appropriate for my dressage goals and whether or not this stallion should have the privilege of reproducing; my vets have discussed the concept of "test breeding" and, naturally, I would like to use Mitzee, but I had really planned on working on her ground work this summer and getting her under saddle later in the year... so, I don't know if I want her bred or not...
If this stallion is the appaloosa of my dreams, I will be responsible and make a commitment to campaign him... or have a professional do so...
Martha
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dres
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Posted on Monday, May 5, 2008 - 9:39 am:
Sounds like you have this well thought out.. I knew you would have.. Yes , He and Tom will be distance relatives!~ So color? How much? BTW Tom is spotting out.. he now has ONE thumb nail white spot on his rump... several black ones but they are hard to see with a base coat of black.. AND he is roaning out fast.. I am thinking in time he will be WHITE with black points.. just a guess of course..
Congratulations on your quest...Want to see pictures or you can email me..
On the first day God created horses, on the second day he painted them with spots..
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mitma
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Posted on Monday, May 5, 2008 - 10:58 pm:
Ann,
So glad to hear that Tommy is roaning out!!!
This stallion is a dark bay with an amount of white that is intermediate between snowcap and few spot, maybe ? 65%... His sire, Waps Reflection was a bay (near) leopard and his dam, a chestnut mare with a ? 30% blanket, is out of a Thoroughbred mare and by Wap Spot 2...
Right now, I'm waiting on a video to review with my "advisors"...
I'll keep everyone posted... right now, I'm just trying to come up with a fair lease scenario, for both myself and the current owner...
Martha
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mrose
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Posted on Monday, May 5, 2008 - 11:18 pm:
Hi Martha, I'd only add to Ann's comments by saying that be sure you are aware of what it will cost to promote this guy, if that is the direction you go with him. Normally, to get breedings you have to advertise in the breed magazines, as well as show him, and you need pro quality pictures and video done then either have the ability to reproduce them yourself or have someone else do it. I mention this because a lot of people don't think about the costs involved with this end of things.
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mitma
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Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 1:31 am:
Ahhh,
The costs of promoting a stallion... Ironically, right after I started this post, I happened to read one of the Fugly Horse of the Day "discussions" on owning stallions...
https://fuglyhorseoftheday.blogspot.com/2008/05/stallions-is-is-really-cheaper-to -own.html
She is so irreverent and hilarious too! Maybe me seeing that particular discussion means there is Karma, or ? reverse Karma...
Sara, I have actually discussed the serious real costs of doing the stallion thing "right" and, though I would be committed to doing it "right", it kinda begs the question... wouldn't all that money be better spent towards my favorite topic of "unwanted horses"... hmmm...
Anyway, as Ann knows from our direct emails, this particular stallion may lack the requisites for continuing in a life as a stallion... though I have NOT yet seen the video of him moving...
Martha
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