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Discussion on Horses shot!
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mrose
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Posted on Sunday, Feb 7, 2010 - 4:09 pm:
I'm sure this isn't posted in the right area, but I wanted to post where everyone can read it, not just members, and couldn't find a better spot.
I just read that Shiela Varian (Varian Arabians) had two of her wonderful old broodmares shot! The were in a pasture with other mares at the time. This happened on Dec.30th, but I just read about it today. As of yet they haven't caught whoever did it and there is an award offered. You can read more about it at: https://www.equinejournal.com/articles/shooting-at-varian-arabians
I missed Shiela at the Pomona show which she normally attends. I don't know her well, but do know her and she's a great lady. She truely loves her animals, especially her mares. This is really a shock and tragedy for her I'm sure. What warpad mind would do such a thing to such beautiful animals? These were beautiful, older broodmares with amazingly good pedigrees. I hope the find the guy that did this and string him up by the balls! (Am I allowed to say that on HA??)
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mrose
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Posted on Sunday, Feb 7, 2010 - 4:16 pm:
Here is the latest update:
https://www.horsetalk.co.nz/news/2010/02/060.shtml
I also read about a Paso Fino stallion that was shot in the head. In his case two people were also found dead and authorities believe his owner shot his wife and then himself after shooting the stallion. This all happened the day before their farm was to be foreclosed. How terrible! The stallion has had several surgeries, is doing quite well and is expected to fully recover.
I'm going to avoid the horse news I think!
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vickiann
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Posted on Sunday, Feb 7, 2010 - 4:29 pm:
How dreadful these stories are.
I too hope that they catch the shooter of those beautiful Arabians and prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.
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zarr
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Posted on Sunday, Feb 7, 2010 - 4:30 pm:
when I read about Shelia's mares being shot it made me sick and furious! There is a reward posted by many admirers of these beautiful horses and Shelia sent back a nice note of thanks but still No One has been caught! They just DrOve down the road and shot away, how sick is that!
Almost as sick as the guy who chose a barn and stall at random walked in and stabbed a mare to death.He was just convicted and could, could get up to 7yrs.
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lilo
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Posted on Sunday, Feb 7, 2010 - 5:51 pm:
What beautiful horses - how sad and yes, sick! Lilo
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scooter
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Posted on Sunday, Feb 7, 2010 - 6:02 pm:
You really have to wonder about people that kill or abuse innocent animals. I've never told this horror story, but where I worked there was a guy that came in and helped me a few times a week, cleaned stalls and helped turn the horses out. He seemed like a nice kid, but you could tell there was a temper there. I kept an eye on him and one day caught him punching one of the horses in the head when he was putting her halter on and I mean he was wailing on her. He quit when he saw me coming... I reported him to the barn owners. They had a dilemma... fear of what he would do if they fired him. They kept cutting his hours back hoping to slowly eliminate him without him blowing his top. They kept him supervised when he was there...I watched him like a hawk. He also would go get a gun and start shooting at rats in the barn.... he really had a loose screw.
One day when I was off the guy was working with another girl. He took a horse out and stabbed her with a knife in the upper part of her front leg...right thru her blanket
I discovered it the next day and threw a fit to the owners to fire him immediately before someone or some horse got killed. They did, (nicely) the owner of the horse (which was one of the sweetest mares down there) had to doctor that wound for a long time. They never told her what we know really happened as we couldn't prove it. Her blanket and leg had a perfect stab wound and that crazy guy always carried a knife. That was one of the most stressful times at a job I have ever spent. The mare did heal up went on to be a broodmare and had twins last year!
Crazy people I tell ya... and yes they should be hung by their balls Sara
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mitch316
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Posted on Sunday, Feb 7, 2010 - 6:33 pm:
It amazes me what people will do to these awesome animals that mean so much to us owners. As some of you may remember, my beloved Buckskin Cheyenne was shot by some teenagers who thought that it would be "cool" to drive around shooting people's horses and cattle. She did not make it,a nd to me and the kids it felt like someone in the family had dies. Those punks were caught and convicted and were sentenced as adults and I hope they are enjoying their state funded accomadations.
We also had our working dog, a Blue Healer named Spike, shot but do not know who or why that happened. he was an awesome guard dog, and the best we can tell he was defending our barn as he was shot and some of our stuff was missing.
It is an absoloute shame and I pray that God has a special "scenario" just for them....
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scooter
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Posted on Sunday, Feb 7, 2010 - 6:43 pm:
Amen Jesse
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zarr
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Posted on Sunday, Feb 7, 2010 - 8:40 pm:
A GSD dog was brutally killed outside of Denver this winter stolen from his own yard no less. His killer also will meet justice. This can never be condoned.My hats off to the 1000s who have written and write everyday for justice for the animals who fall victim to man's cruelty!
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paardex
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Posted on Sunday, Feb 7, 2010 - 9:54 pm:
Apart from my own experiences I know that years ago out of spite somebody in Holstein threw ratpoisoned oats in with a group of seven yearling colts. Only three made it.
I agree there are awful people on this world and can only say: Please keep it in mind and take as many precautions as possible[even though that annoys other people and seems paranoid]without making your and your horses life impossible.
There are quite a few safety precautions that can be taken and perhaps a post on this subject is of use.Obviously not against guns but against people with knives and throwing poison in stables.
Jos
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mrose
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Posted on Monday, Feb 8, 2010 - 12:57 am:
these people are demented imo and need to be locked up where they can't harm anyone or anything. Here in UT it is perfectly legal to shoot someone you feel is causing harm, or has intent to cause harm to your person or your property. Of course if you have hundreds of acres and animals all over you can't keep watch on them 24/7.
I hope there is a special place in hell for people who are cruel to animals and children!
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zarr
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Posted on Monday, Feb 8, 2010 - 1:22 am:
The lady whose mare was stabbed just missed the whole thing as she was late to feed that night! It could easily have been her and her mare.
Then there was the woman who did arrive on the scene of her horse being "assaulted" she did have a gun and held it on the @%**$^#@ til the police arrived!!
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ajudson1
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Posted on Monday, Feb 8, 2010 - 7:25 am:
Sara,
How sad! Many years ago I remember getting Arabian Times magazine (I think that was the name) and Varian Arabians always caught my eye. Beautiful horses!
Why anyone would do something just is beyond comprehension.
Around here, many are gun happy and will use any excuse to shoot a dog (running after deer is a major crime worthy of shooting a dog, screws up hunting you know) or a cat who is making the rounds hunting. I am thankful my horses have only got out once in 22 years, and they stayed in our woods. Otherwise...
I say an eye for an eye in these cases!
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canter
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Posted on Monday, Feb 8, 2010 - 7:53 am:
It's so very sad. I simply don't understand the thought process of these people.
The good news is that in many places, they are prosecuting these nutcases, and taking such crimes seriously...but not everywhere. That needs to change. Jesse, thanks for updating us on the case of Cheyenne. Glad the offenders are paying for their crime.
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zarr
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Posted on Monday, Feb 8, 2010 - 11:05 am:
This morning News 4 horses shot in pasture one dead one critical and the other two may recover!? This is 25 miles from me.Nothing fancy about these guys Except they were all part of therapy riding program for kids!
" hang 'em High and Let God sort them out"
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kpaint
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Posted on Monday, Feb 8, 2010 - 11:10 am:
Sure wish the shooting nuts would find an outlet at the gun or archery range or a punching bag and not on livestock or domestic pets or the defenseless.
Around here if something awful happens it tends to be teenage boys getting into trouble (usually alcohol is involved...) or someone is jealous of what others may have or it is revenge for some perceived or real slight.
Stray or loose pets do seem to get shot around my area especially if they are not wearing collars. But, we are a rural area and most everyone knows everyone's dog/horses/cattle etc. and that doesn't happen often.
So sorry to hear about the beautiful Arabians being gunned down in their own pasture. We keep the elk when they have hard antler away from the pasture by the road just in case some frustrated deer hunter thinks it's a good idea to shoot one of our elk from the road...
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stek
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Posted on Monday, Feb 8, 2010 - 11:24 am:
SICK. I can not even begin to understand the minds of people like that.
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hpyhaulr
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Posted on Monday, Feb 8, 2010 - 4:12 pm:
Near as I can figure is if people can do it to their kids, they can sure do it to an animal. Which is sicker?
Walt has been hauling in & out of Varian Arabians for years, but we have not been there since October and did not know about this awful incident until Sara posted here. I emailed Sheila and got the info on the reward fund. Hopefully someone will come forward with some piece of information which will get a conviction. This is a felony where they live.
If you want to contribute, please make the check out to Arabian Mare Fund and send to
American Principle Bank 4051 Broad Street Suite 410 San Luis Obispo,Ca 93401.
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mrose
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Posted on Monday, Feb 8, 2010 - 6:02 pm:
Good point, Cyndy. My mind isn't capable of understand poor treatment of animals or kids.
Thanks for posting the info on the reward fund. I looked it up and was going to post it; you beat me to it.
I saw there was a post about another horse stolen also. Makes you just want to sit on your front porch with a big gun across your lap doesn't it?
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hpyhaulr
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Posted on Monday, Feb 8, 2010 - 7:11 pm:
Sara, you mean you've never sat on the porch with a loaded shotgun??? I am crushed! Since I have become politically active, I've been getting some 'interesting' hate mail, threatening phone calls in the middle of the night and even snail mail which is building to the threat point.(then the pack goes to the FBI).
I HAVE spent nights in my car parked in front of the barn with a loaded gun. Perhaps I am going round the bend, but my horses are in a sheDrOw which can be seen from the street, and I have this 'no regrets' policy.
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mrose
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Posted on Monday, Feb 8, 2010 - 7:42 pm:
Well, not yet Cyndy. I have slept with a shotgun next to my bed though - several times. We had a cougar prowling the neighborhood, prints marched right past our barn, and that made me a little nervous. I'd lie awake at night listening for the bells on our neighbors' sheep. Figured correctly that the lion would go for sheep over horse! (he ate 3 of them before leaving the area.)
I also kept a gun nearby when a whacko threatend Lonnie over a building permit and said he would beat the living h--- out of Lonnie and kill all our horses, and he knew where we lived. We called the sheriff, who went by and visited the man and was also kind enough to do several nightly drive bys for us. I would have happily shot that fellow over either Lonnie or the horses! I might add that I'm a fair shot,too. LOL
I don't blame you for being nervous. There are a lot of idiots out there - on both sides of the fence! I admire your activism, btw.
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kpaint
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Posted on Monday, Feb 8, 2010 - 7:50 pm:
Wow Cyndy! Sure hope the haters leave you and your horses alone.
We too, on the farm, have been guilty of sitting with loaded weapons "standing guard" on our property upon occasion. I wondered myself if we had "gone 'round the bend!" And if there is a knock on the door or a vehicle in the drive after dark the husband always has a loaded weapon. He never travels through our woods/farms w/o a weapon. He is by no means a hot head. Calm and cool actually.
I don't know what you mean by a no regrets policy, but around here, trespassers and thieves are not held in high esteem.
One of our local town officers (we have two in population 500+ town), showed up here one night at 1 in the morning banging on the door. Husband opened the door with a weapon. Officer's eyes got real big and said, "You don't need that!" Husband said, "I'll be the judge of that when someone is beating on my door at 1 in the morning."
Said officer doesn't have too many brain cells IMHO. Why not call? It was not an emergency. Someone had run through a fence on property he thought was ours. It wasn't ours. And, further, there was no livestock behind the fence. Just a dumb barbed wire fence that some drunk ran through. Officer came flying in the drive way fat with purpose IMHO with few facts... Oh well. Like I said. It's a very small "town" in a rural area. Officers are very used to home owners with weapons and they don't freak out. I imagine if a city dweller tried that, he'd be shot.
You be careful.
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